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thanks for the complementary adjective
yes I do think that goldknodf should not use the yellow star here
it is totally inappropriate
btw – none of the gdolei yisrael said that
goldknopf is a nice jew but is not the one who is supposed to lead klal yisrael
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do not understand what proof ujm is attempting to bring from goldknopf
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.I believe R Mazuz said today or yesterday that there is no contradiction between love of Torah learners and love of IDF soldiers.
There is a report about Moetses meeting where there were apparently differing opinions about how to respond to the draft law. Can someone please clarify what the differences are?
UJM- the notion that soldiers are carrying none of the burden is such sheker. However you balance the need for hishtadlus derech hateva of fighting our enemies with soldiers and the spiritual hishtadlus of Talmud Torah, there is no question that the burden of soldeirs is far greater… not even comparable. Risk of life, limb, mental well being, PTSD, loss of friends and fellow soldiers, loss of time with family, learning, parnassah, quality of life while in the field… the burden of solders cannot be compared to the burden of Lomdei Torah.
The need to lie and minimize the need and sacrifice of our soldiers only demonstrates how little you, and almost all other Charedim, believe in the Charedi position that they need to make up lies to validate that approach.
I’ll have to correct you, even if you only meant it “tongue in cheek”. Even if a Gadol greater than Rav Zafrani would, chalila, take the heretical position of @simcha613, it would still not be Torah and that person would be a “zuken mamre”, i.e. a Gadol Hador who went OTD (like @simcha613 is now – probably a tinok shenishbu who is unfortunately trying to damage more Jews with his zionist religion).
> “simcha613” vs. HaGaon HaRav Shlomo Yedidya Zafrani shlita:
I understand that R Mazuz (for example) holds that both are true, so here it goes.
on military prison without glatt kosher salami: could their friends bring food to them or this was not allowed?
Also, rabbonim who advised their students to risk prison should be responsible for the quality of the accommodation. They should either bring the food themselves (R Arye Levin used to do that during the mandate) or negotiate with the prison authorities in advance: “Shalom, this is Rav ploni, I am planning to advise my talmidim to violate a law, is it possible to deposit some glatt kosher salami in your freezer?”
Carrying the burden doesn’t mean who has the bigger impact. I made it clear, I have no idea. But I terms of burden, no lomed Torah has any burden close to the challenges and sacrifices that soldiers make especially in an extended war. It’s an insult and sheker to suggest otherwise.
Authentic rabbis always opposed wicked Jews who joined with non-Jews to persecute Torah observant Jews.
When Jews pray three times a day “And for the informers let there be no hope…”, that blessing refers to groups like the Neturei Kapos.
Neturei Kapo/Satmar RODFIM Y”S join with Hamas terror/genocide supporters to threaten Orthodox Jews in Queens.
Housing Minister and UTJ chairman Yitzchak Goldknopf said:
“We owe hakaras hatov to IDF soldiers,
who put their lives on the line to protect
Klal Yisrael and Eretz Yisrael.”SOURCE: article titled: “Goldknopf Condemns Chareidim
Cursing At Soldiers In Bnei Brak” 2025 April 1 CE,
Yeshiva World News, www (dot) TheYeshivaWorld (dot) com__________________________________________
“Yitzchak Goldknopf, born in Jerusalem to a well-connected
Gur Hasidic family, is a prominent figure in the Israeli ultra-Orthodox
(Haredi) community and the United Torah Judaism (UTJ) party leader.”SOURCE: www (dot) JewishVirtualLibrary (dot) org
ujm claims that “…. UTJ has a Rabbinic leadership of the top Gedolei Yisroel of our era. If Rabbi Goldknof said something out of line, especially in his capacity as officially representative of UTJ, which this comment was as it was made in the Knesset, then the Gedolei Rabbonim shlita would have required him to publicly retract.”
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using ujm’s logic in the case of ….. the President of the Aguda in 1948 r’ itche maier Levin who signed on the israeli Declaration of Independence ….
If R Levin signed something out of line, especially in his capacity as officially leader of agudat yisrael, then the Gedolei Rabbonim shlita would have required him to publicly retract.”
And they did not ….
Using ujm’s logic … that proves that the gdolei rabbanim agreed with the declaration ….
hmmmm …..
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.“Fakestine”: A totally fake country invented by Roman Jew haters and beloved in modern times by a rogue’s gallery of Islamo-Nazi Jew haters.
Only Neturei Kapos, Muslims, atheist Communists, pagan Romans, and other Torah haters and Jew haters morph the Land of Israel into “Fakestine”.
Neturei Kapos: Their god is “allah” and their prophet is Mohamed YEMACH SHMO.
Neturei Kapos who wave the fake flag of “Fakestine” belong in a mosque, not in a synagogue:
this latest link says that Finance ministry is sending money to charedi schools without receiving knesset authorization. Are you posting this in a hope that the schools will do the ehrliche thing and return the funds for knesset approval?
1] there is no basis supporting , AFAIK at least, that BG offered the status quo letter as payment for Itche Maiers signature on the independence declaration
RIM levin signed because he believed in the declaration
2] even if ….
even if that was only to extract ‘concessions’ from BG , gdolei rabbanim would not have left such kfira [in your eyes] stand …
they would have protested
like they should protest according to you , the much lesser avla of calling them nazi’s …
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r levin did not view it like a RZ.
but he signed .
I disagree that his non signature would signify the retreat of the status quo
I also disagree that the RBSHO was left out of the declaration
the peshara was the inclusion of the words ‘tsur yisrael’ which the religious understood as referring to God.
the bottom line however is the following —
according to satmar this declaration is kefira be’ikar
against all the ikarim
is yehareig ve’al yaavor
and on top of that three unhinged commenters repeatedly post
that this is accepted by ALL rabbanim
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comes ujm and is mechadesh that shtika of the rabbanim affiliated with aguda is a hoda’a to the statements of its lay leadership
now— use ujm’s logic and voila —
we have a haskama that signing this declaration is none of the above
not kefira in the ikarim
not yehareig ve’al yaavor
not THE supposed source of all evil …..
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.yankel> the peshara was the inclusion of the words ‘tsur yisrael’ which the religious understood as referring to God.
right. But was it understood some other way by the non-religious leaders? They knew their Tanach … most were not tinokos shenishba. The argument is not that different from US first amendment: how can the state impose religion on those who do not agree. If there were a possibility to establish a smaller, but viable, religious state – maybe that should have been done, but there was no such possibility.
Also, I think the final draft was written by a small group that did not include Aguda rep, but Mizrachi R Maimon who insisted on mentioning Hashem, and Ben Gurion suggest the Tzur compromise. R Maimon put the Shem near his signature or something like that. But maybe they were texting others also. I am sure there are books written about this topic.
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