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Yankel: Why would the Steipler Gaon specifically and directly and explicitly refer to the Neteurei Karta if he really meant, as you claim, the Eidah HaChareidus? That makes as little sense as claiming he really meant Agudas Yisroel.

Neteurei Karta isn’t some kind of generic name for tzadikim. It’s referring to discuss tzadikim.

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Yaakov: I’ve already asked talmidim of the Steipler Gaon. And every one I’ve asked agreed with every point I made in this thread regarding the Steipler and his love and full support of the Neteurei Karta.

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Yaakov: You’re missing the point. I’m not saying the Steipler supported protesting together with Goyim against Israel. My guess (I’m not certain) is that he was against that idea. But what I am saying is that, despite the Steipler possibly being against this idea or that action that the Neteurei Karta might have felt (based on the Rabbonim that HaRav Amrom Blau ztvkl consulted) was the proper approach (therefore disagreeing on a certain point with the Steipler), nevertheless the Steipler clearly believed that on the balance of things, despite any disagreement on more minor issues, that the Neteurei Karta were great tzadikim that Klal Yisroel needed and benefited from, and that broadcast to the world that Torah Jewry is diametrically opposed to Zionism.

The so-called “Hareidi units” of the Zionist Army is 95% dati leumi and 5% OTD Hareidim.

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Yaakov: You must’ve missed my post on the previous page of this thread where I pointed out that the Neteurei Karta — in the time of the Steipler Gaon — joined a protest with the Palestinian Liberation Organization headed by Yasser Arafat — at the United Nations.

And — yet — the Steipler Gaon wrote what he wrote, in high praise of the Neteurei Karta, despite that fact.

The Neteurei Karta in the time of the Steipler Gaon was just as kanoish as they are today.

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Harav Shalom Ber Sorotzkin shlit”a decried the ongoing persecution of bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel, comparing the situation to the dark days of Soviet oppression.

“I came to America to do a job that isn’t easy — to take care of bochurim,” Rav Sorotzkin said. “We have 13,500 talmidim across our mosdos, and every one of them is precious. When I heard this morning that they arrested a choshuve bochur in the yeshiva — an emesdike masmid, whose only ‘crime’ was sitting and learning Torah — I was shaken. We heard such stories from our fathers and grandfathers in Russia, when people were arrested for learning. Now it’s happening again, in Eretz Yisroel.”

The bochur, named Ariel Shammai, was sentenced to 20 days in military prison. “He was handed a 20-day prison sentence for one thing,” Rav Sorotzkin said sharply. “For being an oved Hashem and learning Torah.”

Following the arrest, a massive atzeres tefillah was held outside the prison Wednesday afternoon. Over 1,200 bnei Torah gathered to show support and solidarity with the imprisoned talmid. The gathering doubled as a psichas zman for the yeshiva, led by Rav Moshe Hillel Hirsch shlit”a.

“It was a big maamad of kiddush sheim shamayim in a mechubadike way,” said Rav Sorotzkin. “We began Chezkas Habatim there. It gave the bochur chizuk — he saw that Klal Yisroel is with him.”